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Lake Orion,MI,

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Dec 28, 2011

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35:52 Beach to Beacon 10k (2015)

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I live in Michigan with my wife, Megan, and our boys, Charlie and Sawyer. I started running in September 2010.

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Dear Diary,

My leg feels pretty good this morning, and I just jogged around my office a bit. I have also gained about 5 lbs in the last 8-10 days and I need to get to the gym. 

Trying to decide if running 90+ is too much for me (especially of the course of 10-12 weeks, but a sensible cutback week might have made all the difference). I have tightness in my right PF, which is better but could have got ugly. I have the beginnings of a neuroma in my left foot (4-5 metatarsal), which can be pretty devestating (I've had it in the middle of my foot), and of course this as-yet-diagnosed leg issue, which didn't seem to be getting better but I did some core work that involves legs lifts and I could feel it but things worked out.

I realize I didn't stretch enough for the mileage I was running. Some people never stretch, don't do this, don't do that, but I am guessing this is a big mistake.

Newton runner Fernando Cabada does 90 MINUTES of strength and plyos after faster sessions. Of course, this is not feasible for everyone (at peak I was running 80-90 minutes in the morning, and 40-60 minutes in the afternnon and much more than 20-30 minutes of "extras" would seem unjustifiable). But I recall Rob taking from a talk he went to that too often we think of strength training, core, and stretching as an afterthought and this is a mistake. Makes sense to me.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 17:30:59 from 166.147.72.46

Seems like most new mileage levels are accompanied by new aches and pains, some more severe than others. Hopefully you're over the worst of it now.

I can't even find an extra 30 min in a day, much less 90, but I'm sure the strength stuff helps if you can do it. Maybe a cycle or two of 80-mile weeks will set you up to be able to handle more down the road if you decide to do so?

From Jason D on Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 18:06:13 from 24.1.80.94

I think Fernando's occupation is running (more or less).

This is what the final weeks looked like: 86, 93.5, 94.25, 93, 71 (Philly RnR, 15k the 5 days later)), 89, 95+, 84.25, 93.20, 100.6, 91 (6 days).

I'm 73 average for the year and 60 per week for the last 22 months. So I'm just not sure. However, in the last weeks of training, there's no legitimate cutback week in there. Hard to say if this caused the issue or not. If it is a stress fracture (unlikely given the evidence), then I probably did something wrong, but I think I just caught something right (downhill and stopping suddenly in the race).

...That said, I will be hanging out in the 70-85 range for quite some time after the appropriate recovery period. I don't plan to run more than 95-100 peak unless I'm 15X pounds and about 5-10 marathons from now!

Thanks, Joe, for indulging me.

From Jason D on Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 18:15:42 from 24.1.80.94

(The above should be read as a weak attempt to justify what was crossing my limits)

From SlowJoe on Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 18:18:51 from 166.147.72.18

I could see myself making the same decisions, no justifications needed. Sometimes, $&%# happens...

From Andrea on Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 19:04:30 from 67.177.11.154

I really hope that this injury doesn't turn out to be serious and you can get back to training relatively quickly!

I think you can still improve your times from the 5k to the marathon off 70mpw. The additional mileage is great, but there's quite a bit more you can do to benefit with the lower mileage - longer singles instead of doubles, faster/harder workouts, dedicate time to do all the extra little things like stretching, strength training, etc.

The down week every 3-4 weeks is such a good plan - keeps runners mentally and physically healthy.

From Jason D on Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 19:17:16 from 24.1.80.94

Exactly, Joe.

Thanks, Andrea. I know working up to the easy 10 miler on most days is pretty good stuff. I think I am going to work into it and see what happens. That, one workout a week and a long run would be plenty. Running in the morning would open up the rest of the morning and the afternoon to actual be productive for once.

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