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Indianapolis Monumental Marathon

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Location:

Shelby Township,MI,

Member Since:

Dec 28, 2011

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

PRs

16:52 Phillies Charities 5k (2016)

35:52 Beach to Beacon 10k (2015)

58:10 Broad Street 10 Mile (2016)

1:16:02 Philadelphia Rock and Roll Half Marathon (2015)

2:46:54 Philadelphia Marathon (2015)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Running Racing Schedule 2018/2019

July 15: Pure Detroit 5k

August 4: Beach to Beacon 10k

September 23: Brooksie Way 10k (Tentative)

October 21: Detroit International Half Marathon 

April 28: Glass City Marathon 

Gravel Bike/Cyclocross Races 2018 (Tentative)

September 9: Uncle John’s Dirty Ride 56 Mile

October 27: Bloomer Park Cyclocross Race

Gravel Bike Races 2019 (Tentative)

June 22: Coast to Coast 100

July 29: The Divide 50 Mile

September 8: Uncle John's Dirty Ride 56 Mile

Long-Term Running Goals:

I'd love to get my marathon time into the 2:3X range or under.

Personal:

I live in Michigan with my wife, Megan. I started running in September 2010.

(Please note that Strava links might contain blog inappropriate langauge)

 

Favorite Blogs:

Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 145.00 Year: 1923.46
Miles With Megan Lifetime Miles: 359.75
Nike Zoom Streak LT2 White/Orange Lifetime Miles: 140.25
Nike Pegasus Lifetime Miles: 259.15
Brooks Launch 3 Red Lifetime Miles: 67.90
Cross Training Minutes 2018 Lifetime Miles: 2417.50
Altra One 2.5 Lifetime Miles: 443.65
Altra One 2.5 Black Lifetime Miles: 318.70
Altra Escalante Lifetime Miles: 225.70
Specialized Diverge (Gravel Bike) Lifetime Miles: 528.50
Altra One V3 Blue Lifetime Miles: 74.10
Altra One V3 Blue 2 Lifetime Miles: 66.20
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
102.4331.202.011.91137.55
Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 52.20Newton (Marathon Racer) Miles: 29.72Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 32.04Loose Dogs Miles: 2.00Newton MV2 Miles: 9.01Saucony Kinvara Miles: 7.80Newton New Racers Miles: 6.78
Weight: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.100.000.000.004.10

North side, tapering, wandering - 4.1 miles, averaged 8:28

Looking over data from last year. Did fairly well pacing myself according to plan and without any help. Mile 18 I thought I had to go the bathroom, but I didn't and I wasted a good minute there. Mile 22 and 23 my calves were tight (were from the halfway point). Mile 25 I got hit with a hamstring cramp that left me stretching against a building.

Last year I peaked at 50 miles, but I am not sure what my average was. Peaked at 85 miles this year and averaged 65 miles per week for the 16 week buildup.

Split Time Moving Time Distance
1 07:57.6 7:57 1
2 08:14.8 8:01 1
3 08:12.8 7:12 1
4 07:59.5 7:59 1
5 08:08.3 8:03 1
6 08:09.6 8:10 1
7 08:04.4 8:00 1
8 08:15.4 8:13 1
9 08:09.4 8:10 1
10 08:13.3 8:05 1
11 08:01.9 8:02 1
12 08:02.1 8:02 1
13 07:51.8 7:53 1
14 07:54.8 7:53 1
15 08:09.3 7:59 1
16 08:13.9 8:14 1
17 08:04.9 8:02 1
18 09:00.6 8:20 1
19 08:06.4 8:07 1
20 08:04.0 8:04 1
21 08:18.2 8:13 1
22 08:37.6 8:32 1
23 08:47.5 8:40 1
24 08:16.2 8:14 1
25 08:33.0 8:19 1
26 08:10.1 8:07 1
27 02:53.7 2:54 0.38
 Summary 3:36:31.0 3:33:25.0 26.38

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 4.10
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.100.000.000.003.10

Ran to the train tracks and back - 3.1 miles, averaged 8:31 w/ a few low intensity pickups. Have a feeling 7-minute pace is going to feel easy tomorrow . . . until mile 23 and 24. 

Gained 2+ lbs. Yeah carbs! Boo weight gain!

Newton (Marathon Racer) Miles: 3.10
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Race: Indianapolis Monumental Marathon (26.2 Miles) 03:09:11, Place overall: 168, Place in age division: 25
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.4226.200.000.0026.62

The short story is that I was on pace for 21 miles for sub-3:05 and had a tough time in the last 5+ miles. As I said in my comments, I am disappointed but not devastated. I trained harder than I thought I could and I moved my time goal from 3:20 to 3:05 in the middle of August. The progress this year is something that has been wonderfully surprising.

Longer story. I decided to warm up since my usual pace is lower 8-minute range for easy runs and I usually don't break 9 minutes in my first mile (rarely below 8:45). I ended up doing 5 minutes, which seemed reasonable beacuase the pace was super slow with 1 or 2 low intensity, short strides. Did some dynamic stretching in there too, but nothing serious. I entered the corrals looking for the 3:05 group, but could only see the 3:10 and the elites just ahead. The 3:10 pacer asked me if I was looking for the 3:05ers, and he pointed them out (strange how a 3:05 pacer, and much faster marathoner wouldn't be super visible in the still-dark morning). I stayed between the two pace groups. I couldn't hear much because of the corral noise and my hat, but we finally got to the start and got moving. Took a bit to navigate for position, even for a smallish race, but I settled in after 3 or 4 miles okay.

Mile 1: The pacers were moving a bit fast. I hit the hit the first mile in 6:50 and I wasn't really gaining on the 3:05 group. Before the second mile, the 3:10 guy was breathing down my neck, and I think he said he hit 7:00 for the first mile (too fast for a 7:17 goal time I think). Throughout the race I felt like the 3:05 group was surging, especially on a flat course, but it was likely my novice sense of pace and pacing, but I found it hard to stay with them, even though I didn't feel a lag in my own pace.

Mile 2: 7:11. I could see the 3:05 group about the same distance as we were at the start, so I figured I would be fine as long as I didn't get too much of a gap that I couldn't close at the end (I was only a few seconds behind them at the start and they weren't much back from gun time).

Mile 3: I passed through Monument Circle and threw my hate to Megan. At this point I think I was sitting right on the 3:05 group. Still 6:47. I realize it was faster because I was trying to get right behind them and had to cover some ground, but we still shouldn't have been too far below pace on a flat course (Obviously each person is the only one responsible for his or her own pacing).

Mile 4 (7:17); Mile 5 (7:08); Mile 6 (7:03) 10k split was 43:47. Right on 7:04 pace; Mile 7 (6:59) Took a gel here; Mile 8 (7:12); Mile 9 (7:15); Mile 10 (7:13); Mile 11 (6:58); Mile 12 (7:03); Mile 13: (6:59) First half split was 1:32:41, which was right where I was hoping to be roughly (1:32:20-1:32:40); Mile 14: (7:01); Mile 15: (7:01) Took another gel, and started to realize I would need to feel really good at mile 20-24. I missed a water station somewhere because they didn't have enough volunteers and weren't prepared for a big, tightly packed group. I asked a guy if he would mind if I had just a sip of his water if he was going to toss it. He handed it too me, which was kind. I can't remember but I think I was still pretty much behind the group at this point. I would be close to them and fall back or they would push ahead.

Mile 16: (7:07) Just a 10+ mile tempo run to go!

Mile 17: (6:57). I knew that these were the splits I needed to hit to be on pace for sub-3:05 and I also knew they were getting a bit difficult to hit.

Mile 18: (6:57). Split was dead even like the last one. 30k Split was 2:11:43, still on 7:04 pace.

Mile 19: (6:49) I think this was about where I passed a guy and he asked how I was doing and I said "fine," which was meant to be an hopeful and not arrogant response. May have been the next mile because I took a gel and really did feel better, but not super fresh. I was trying to close in on the group again by mile 20 so they could drag me to the finish line.

Mile 20: (6:58) Took a gel. Hoped some of my faster miles at the end of long runs would save me, but they didn't. I think this is where we entered the park through a narrowish gate. I was off the 3:05 pack, and missed my goal of catching them slowly over 2-3 miles.

Mile 21: The group was visible I think, but I can't remember. I knew I wasn't going to hit 3:05 for sure. I just hoped to come in the 3:05 range (the removal of the 59-second grace period being pushed aside for pride). I still managed 7:12. Oh yeah, and it started to rain a bit. Cold, almost sleeting, rain. Hands and arms were cold (I tossed my gloves because they got wet).

Mile 22 "Somewhere around mile 22 the cramps began to take hold . . . ": Let the geezer games begin (me being the participant)! Little bit of walking to see if the legs were just playing me. Got a few Cliff Bloks that some nice folks had. They had opened the package to help I guess, but I spilled a bunch. I took part of a Cliff gel somewhere in here too hoping it would be miracle fuel. Split 7:55 for this one. Ouchy.

Mile 23: I did some more walk/running here I think and managed a 7:35. I tried to fight the cramps in my side, but I did a good bit of clutching, growling, and grimacing.

Mile 24: More of the same. Tough mile, especially with 3-hour half marathoners walking and covering most of the road. Okay, that was what I was thinking at the time because I was really cursing myself. Growl, grab side, grimace. Repeat. Who is that hunched over geezer in the shop window? It's me . . . 8:09.

Mile 25: 7:48. I tried to tough it out, but I couldn't. I tried to push through the discomfort, but it wasn't helping. Just finish the race, Jason, and don't let that 3:10 pacer mow you down.

Mile 26: The point in the marathon where your eyes should light up and your legs magically find just a small spark of fuel. Again, I tried to push and I did okay but I didn't have anything in my legs either. By this point I had perfected my old man shuffle. Saw a guy on the sidewalk with volunteers. They were trying to stand him up but he was very, very unsteady. Always makes me nervous, especially since I had a friend at Chicago get life-threatening heat stroke (at 37 degrees this other fellow had other issues). 7:24.

Partial: .34 (.04 better than last year): No 5:30-pace kick down, but I did manage 2:34 or 7:02 pace. I also managed to pass one guy just before the turn off from New York into the straightaway to the finish line. Nothing fierce. More like a barely audible purr. Too many people in the finishing area. I got a water and got into an open area. Wasn't until later that I realized I missed my medal.

I walked a bit and drank some water, picking up random abandoned ones as I was leaving. My legs didn't feel too tight or sore even if they weren't in any shape to run. I wasn't that sore in the afternoon/evening and I actually ran a short piece when we went to lunch. A bit sore this morning, but NOTHING compared to my first marathon last year when I couldn't really walk down stairs for 5-7 days. I feel it a bit in my hips because I was such a geezer at the end, but I am pleased I don't feel super trashed and I can run earlier than Thursday (the first day I ran last year).

I am so happy to be a part of the blog. I try to follow and read as much of all your races and training as time will allow. I have learned a good deal from the blog, while better being able to push myself because of it. I have no doubt it has helped with my successful year with 9 races and a PR for every one (one of the many perks of being a newer runner for sure). My first half split was faster than my April half marathon PR by 1 minute and my overall pace wasn't much slower than my half marathon pace at that point. Many of my splits for the marathon were at what I was running the half marathon in June, just two weeks before I started my 16 week marathon buildup.

 

Cheers.


 


Newton (Marathon Racer) Miles: 26.62
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

Old Standby, shorty version - 4 miles, averaged 8:34

Last year I didn't (couldn't) run until Thursday after the marathon. In fact I was sore and tight during and after the race. This year I had some soreness for sure, but not much worse than some of the harder efforts I've had in the half marathon.

Easy, low mileage for a while. I'm approaching one year of of no sidelining injuries and I''ll have run twice as many miles. I'd like to keep that going.

I'm still not sure what happened in the marathon with the side stitches. Could be the pace was  too fast, but they hit at mile 22 and my goal wasn't unrealistic based on my training and half marathon time. I don't think it was dehydration (too cold, too little sweat, and at least as much water as last year, and better hydration in the days before the race). I did suck down a good many gels. I'll be making my own in the future I'm pretty sure.

Plans for next build up: similar, but more consistent mileage (lots of spikes into the 80s from the high 60s with no weeks in the 70s). Long runs were good, but probably too short. Next build up, I think 22ish miles, but primarily by time (2:45ish) as I can see a potential correlation between my duration of long runs and the time I started to fade in the marathon. Try to get the pace of the long runs close to 15-20 seconds from goal pace by the end of the run (maybe not in the early long runs but on a day when everything is clicking, later in the buildup). The difference between the fastest long run and actual marathon pace has been about 14 or 15 seconds for my first two marathons. This is different for the speediest out there, of course (but maybe not).

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 4.00
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.500.000.000.004.50

North side - 4.5 miles, averaged 8:29

Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 4.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.500.000.000.006.50

I'm visiting my folks for the weekend. They had snow a few days ago, but it's pretty much gone. Weather has been nice. Out and back on Wingood road - 6.5 miles, 8ish AP. I feel great and strong. Played it really safe this week. Nothing wrong with that. Probably move up to 5 days this week and add a day a week as I get back to routine.

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 6.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.500.000.000.006.50

Wingood road - 6.5 miles, averaged 7:53

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 6.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.300.000.000.006.30

Back in Lafayette. Old Standby - 6.3 miles, averaged 8:00

Loose Dogs Miles: 1.00Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 6.30
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.501.000.000.008.50

9th street and Wabash Trail out and back - 8.5 miles, averaged 7:53 w/ 1 mile MP pick up coming back down 9th

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 8.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.780.000.000.368.14

Vinton Woods loop - 7.5 miles, averaged 8:12 + 6 x 100M strides 

Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 8.14
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.100.000.000.004.10

North side Sunday jog - 4.1 miles, averaged 8:42

Need a cure for the post-marathon blues.

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 4.10
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.003.002.010.009.01

Vinton Woods loop - 9 miles w/ 5 tempo (7:08, 6:59, 7:07, 6:39, 6:33). 2.6 up and 1.4 down. Mile 1 was slow because I had to tell a shih tzu I refused to pace it if it kept yapping. Told it to go home.

Early to be doing workouts, but I needed something to snap me out of this running/existential funk and the weather was decent. I threw on my flats for the first time in 2 months, knowing they would get my legs moving. Effort was high, but doable.

Newton MV2 Miles: 9.01Loose Dogs Miles: 1.00
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.800.000.000.007.80

Jefferson High School loop - 7.8 miles, averaged 7:57

Saucony Kinvara Miles: 7.80
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.001.000.000.0010.00

9th to Wabash trail out and back - 10 miles, averaged 8:20

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 10.00
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.100.000.000.007.10

Wandering - 7.1 miles, averaged 7:58

Like most things running, Correct Toes should be transitioned into slowly. Youchies. 

Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 7.10
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.786.78

9th street to the Wabash Trail out and back - 6.78 miles w/ 6 x 200m in the middle at just over 6:00 AP. Wanted them to be faster but 5k or faster is fine for now.

Newton New Racers Miles: 6.78
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.500.000.000.008.50

Vinton Woods - 8.5 miles, averaged 8:08

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 8.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.230.000.000.776.00

Golf course/Wabash Trail out and back - 6 miles, averaged 7:41

Back to running with an iPod to shut out the idiots. Makes me run too fast though, but it is a perfect tool for the unstructured fartlek. Hit the first mile in 7:30, which I never start out at. After mile 1 or so I got a good song and started going through the gears. Looked down and I was flashing 5:15, so I picked it up a bit over a short rise to 4:57, until a guy on a bike said something about me moving along, so I let him pass and pace me for a few seconds and I tried to keep up. I was surprised when I got back to see I was running 4:09 at the peak. A PR in peak pace (yep, it's true I keep track of these minor ones). Wish I had hit the lap button when I started hard because I was just shy of a half mile and I only averaged 6:20. The quarter or third mile when I was moving would have been better. One more pick up on the way back at 5:49 for another third of a mile. 

The start of basebuilding, but ya need some unstructured speed once in a while.

Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 6.00
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
102.4331.202.011.91137.55
Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 52.20Newton (Marathon Racer) Miles: 29.72Newton Trainer 4 Miles: 32.04Loose Dogs Miles: 2.00Newton MV2 Miles: 9.01Saucony Kinvara Miles: 7.80Newton New Racers Miles: 6.78
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