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Lake Orion,MI,

Member Since:

Dec 28, 2011

Gender:

Male

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Other

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PRs

16:52 Phillies Charities 5k (2016)

35:52 Beach to Beacon 10k (2015)

58:10 Broad Street 10 Mile (2016)

1:16:02 Philadelphia Rock and Roll Half Marathon (2015)

2:46:54 Philadelphia Marathon (2015)

Personal:

I live in Michigan with my wife, Megan, and our boys, Charlie and Sawyer. I started running in September 2010.

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Old Standby, shorty version - 4 miles, averaged 8:34

Last year I didn't (couldn't) run until Thursday after the marathon. In fact I was sore and tight during and after the race. This year I had some soreness for sure, but not much worse than some of the harder efforts I've had in the half marathon.

Easy, low mileage for a while. I'm approaching one year of of no sidelining injuries and I''ll have run twice as many miles. I'd like to keep that going.

I'm still not sure what happened in the marathon with the side stitches. Could be the pace was  too fast, but they hit at mile 22 and my goal wasn't unrealistic based on my training and half marathon time. I don't think it was dehydration (too cold, too little sweat, and at least as much water as last year, and better hydration in the days before the race). I did suck down a good many gels. I'll be making my own in the future I'm pretty sure.

Plans for next build up: similar, but more consistent mileage (lots of spikes into the 80s from the high 60s with no weeks in the 70s). Long runs were good, but probably too short. Next build up, I think 22ish miles, but primarily by time (2:45ish) as I can see a potential correlation between my duration of long runs and the time I started to fade in the marathon. Try to get the pace of the long runs close to 15-20 seconds from goal pace by the end of the run (maybe not in the early long runs but on a day when everything is clicking, later in the buildup). The difference between the fastest long run and actual marathon pace has been about 14 or 15 seconds for my first two marathons. This is different for the speediest out there, of course (but maybe not).

Newton Trainers 3 Miles: 4.00
Weight: 0.00
Comments
From SlowJoe on Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 17:57:10 from 69.131.141.92

Good analysis. I wish I had some help to offer on the side cramps. I've had them but never severe enough to slow down.

Good plan too. The one thing I wish that I would've done, after my last big marathon PR, is change stuff up more. Seems counterintuitive to change what has worked for you, but I think it keeps you from stagnating.

From Jason D on Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 19:08:45 from 24.1.80.94

Still not sure what those were about. I rarely get them and they are usually related to too much water (or coffee) and eating too close to a run (ran into this maybe once on a double run day). I haven't been running with water all buildup so I am not sure why I was so concerned with it. Sure you need some, but not that much when it is 36 degrees. Had the cramps been earlier I could have ran through them, but I just didn't have it at the end.

I am going to stick with what worked but tweak it just a bit (longer long runs and more of them, and I think more frequent half marathon pace stuff). Not sure what the mileage will be. I always have an idea in my head and it always ends up being more. I thought I might have my highest week at 70 or 71 this fall, but I ended up running 80, 82, 85 for highs. Doesn't make too much sense to run more than that at this point.

From Bam on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 14:34:20 from 89.204.225.253

Like Joe said, 'good analysis.' Your ideas sound bang-on. The 15 second pace difference (95%ish of pmp)sounds about right too.

How many gels did you take and when? Did you take carb drinks too?

Any thoughts about races for next year?

From Jason D on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 18:02:26 from 74.75.190.42

I did gels at 7, 15, and just before 20. I had planned on 7, 16, and 22 or 23. My thought was about 50 minutes, a bit under 2 hours and something for the last 4-5 miles. I also took in 2 bloks someone gave me and just a little bit from a Cliff gel after 22 I think. Might have been the cause of the cramps because I've never used those, but I doubt it.I took a small sip of Gatorade late just to get some fuel. This year I only took 1 gel at most during training runs and almost no water.

I'm doing a series of races that are good but very cheapn(5k, 10k, 15k for something like $40). Same ones as last year pretty much. I'm pretty sure I'm going to do an April marathon and run Indinapolis for the 3rd year in November.

Might do a half in 6 weeks as a workout. That one is tentative.

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